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  • ot Roberts may have advised GWH BUSH on pardons of Iran Contra

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     The White House refuses to release documents relating to SCOTUS nominee Roberts as Deputy Solicitor General under Ken Starr.  This was when Roberts might have advised on the reprehensible GWH Bush pardons of the Iran Contra Gang. Since the WH position was nominally private, there could be an argument to keep Roberts docs confidential, but in his job as Deputy Solicitor, John Roberts was working for you and me, the taxpayers, as his paycheck came from DoJ. The presidential power to pardon is granted under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution. "The President … shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment." This is usually taken to mean those who have been impeached but it could be argued that Bush himself was in danger of being impeached and so the exception would apply to a pre-trial pardon. GWH Bush no doubt asked for legal advice on this. Coverup on the flip: Sherlock Google’s diary :: :: So Dems, in the midst of the Plame Leak/WMD Lies Scandal, can ask Roberts searching questions about the Bush I pardons of Weinberger and the whole gang, all guilty of lying to Congress and far worse crimes of running an illegal secret government. Essentially a trial of Weinberger would have revealed his notes of a 1986 meeting that said "VP approves" of arms sales to Iran, whereas Bush had said he questioned those sales at the meeting.  In fact, Weinberger and Shultz had argued strongly that the sales not be made–and then got blamed for them (sound familiar George Tenet?).  In ‘92 Weinberger started proclaiming to the press that he was not about to go to jail–a message to Bush I to be ready to be impeached. The only trouble with pardoning the Iran Contra Gang was that the Constitution says the Presidential Pardon is absolute EXCEPT FOR IMPEACHMENT.  This meant it would be better for Bush to LOSE the ‘92 election and then pardon everyone.  Then there is no impeachment process and the pardons hold–as long as Clinton doesn’t prosecute Bush himself on the actual pardon as a quid pro quo to prevent impeachment! So there were theoretically quite a number of conversations or memos about this unprecedented and corrupt use of the pardon to let Weinberger off the hook and keep those smoking gun notes out of the courtroom. Roberts will plead coinfidentiality and the WH will NEVER release those docs–and they already making noise about how they will not release them. You know what that likely means–or they would just turn them over, or at least let Senators look at them somewhere in confidence.  Roberts must have advised Starr and Bush I on the Iran Contra Pardons and perhaps even the reprehensible Bush pardon of a 55-year term for a Pakistani heroin smuggler, far worse than Clinton’s Rich pardon. We don’t know and likely will never know for sure, but it’s more probable than not, given the immediate and stiff resistance from the WH. back ground here http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/26/10612/2519 Note the similarities between Iran Contra and the WMD Lies Scandal, both were lying to Congress to make war and conduct a secret government and conduct war profiteering. The first thing George W. Bush did, I think, as President was to seal his father’s and Reagan’s records.  Thanks for bringing up your father’s heinous crimes again George.  At the least, since he will never get the apparently incriminating memos, Kerry should ask Roberts if he approves of pardoning criminals BEFOREHAND so a President can avoid impeachment!

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    >They won’t even release his friggen tax returns, which has previously been >routine for nominees… maybe because his wife is a war profiteer….

    Boo Hoo. Whine On http://www.tech-sol.net/humor/democratic_seal.jpg Claude

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>They won’t even release his friggen tax returns, which has previously been >>routine for nominees… maybe because his wife is a war profiteer…. >Boo Hoo. >Whine On >http://www.tech-sol.net/humor/democratic_seal.jpg >Claude >For Clod, investigating truth = whining.   >Actually it’s Clod who is the "whiner", whose repsonses are nothing but >"whining" about other peoples posts… Clod being unable to actually dialog >or refute points, etc.

    Whine on, Al I’d be angry as well if my preferences were ignored, as yours are. At least you provide a bit of comic relief. Claude

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    courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>They won’t even release his friggen tax returns, which has previously been >>routine for nominees… maybe because his wife is a war profiteer…. >Boo Hoo. >Whine On >http://www.tech-sol.net/humor/democratic_seal.jpg >Claude >For Clod, investigating truth = whining.   >Actually it’s Clod who is the "whiner", whose repsonses are nothing but >"whining" about other peoples posts… Clod being unable to actually dialog >or refute points, etc.

    He would need at lest two brain cells to rub together.  In this case he is believed to be missing both sides of that equation. Ken Wilson Posting from the last bastion of freedom and democracy. Proud Owner of LV, Paul Know less, PMG, John Boy Wheaton, Clod  and the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) Former owner of Jet Ski, traded to Elvis Kabong for a half-eaten twinkie  and an old stub from a Mom & Dads concert. www.resisters.ca

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >courageously avow: >>>They won’t even release his friggen tax returns, which has previously been >>>routine for nominees… maybe because his wife is a war profiteer…. >>Boo Hoo. >>Whine On >>http://www.tech-sol.net/humor/democratic_seal.jpg >>Claude >For Clod, investigating truth = whining.   >Actually it’s Clod who is the "whiner", whose repsonses are nothing but >"whining" about other peoples posts… Clod being unable to actually dialog >or refute points, etc. >He would need at lest two brain cells to rub together.  In this case >he is believed to be missing both sides of that equation.

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    I’m tellin ya, Claudel’s got humor. paul, take a page out of his play book, it’d do you some good. Laughin makes you live longer, cures what ails you.

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    Who says that’s a Martha Stewart "Good Thing"? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >…makes you live longer, cures what ails you.

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    > Who says that’s a Martha Stewart "Good Thing"? >…makes you live longer, cures what ails you.

    "Between the expressions of laughter and weeping there is no difference in the   motion of the features, either in the eyes, mouth or cheeks; only in the   ruffling of the brows, which is added when weeping, but more elevated and   extended when laughing. …Those who weep, raise the brows, and bring them close together above the  nose, forming many wrinkles on the forehead, and the corners of the mouth are  turned down-wards. Those who laugh have them turned upwards, and the brows open and extended." DaVinci, Leonardo, A TREATISE ON PAINTING Laughter is, indeed, akin to weeping; and true humor is as closely allied to pity as it is abhorrent to derision. Henry Giles I like the laughter that opens the lips and heart,- that shows  at the same time pearls and the soul. Victor Hugo We must laugh before we are happy lest we die without having laughed. LaBruyere One who has the courage to laugh is almost as much the master  of the world as he who is ready to die. Giacamo Leopardi Laugh if you are wise. Martial "One inch of joy surmounts of grief a span; Because to laugh is proper to the man." Rabelais

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    courageously avow: >I’m tellin ya, Claudel’s got humor. paul, take a page out of his play >book, it’d do you some good. Laughin makes you live longer, cures what >ails you.

    I thought that is what Zolof, Paxil, Effexor, etc., were for.  Has the pharma lobby been BSing us again? Ken Wilson Posting from the last bastion of freedom and democracy. Proud Owner of Lord Valve, Paul Knowles, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas  and the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) Former owner of gtski, traded to Elvis Kabong for a half-eaten twinkie  and an old stub from a Mom & Dads concert. www.resisters.ca

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Who says that’s a Martha Stewart "Good Thing"? > "One inch of joy surmounts…the length of most alt.guitar.amps penii

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    naw, I meant Claudel was funny. Ron, you should keep that I-ron-o-meter around and use it!!! like the gong on the gong show.

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    > courageously avow: >>In article

    >>Some asshole posting today as play on

    >>>They won’t even release his friggen tax

    returns, which has previously been >>>routine for nominees… maybe because his

    wife is a war profiteer…. >>Boo Hoo. >>Whine On >http://www.tech-sol.net/humor/democratic_seal.jp g >>Claude >For Clod, investigating truth = whining. >Actually it’s Clod who is the "whiner", whose

    repsonses are nothing but >"whining" about other peoples posts… Clod

    being unable to actually dialog >or refute points, etc. > He would need at lest two brain cells to rub

    together.  In this case > he is believed to be missing both sides of that equation. > Ken Wilson > Posting from the last bastion of freedom and democracy. > Proud Owner of LV, Paul Know less, PMG, John Boy Wheaton, Clod >  and the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots

    Needing Explanations (URINE) > Former owner of Jet Ski, traded to Elvis Kabong

    for a half-eaten twinkie >  and an old stub from a Mom & Dads concert. > www.resisters.ca

    Hey Ken, do you want to own Cludsmell or should we bid on him? He definitely fits in the puppet-clown category and I don’t have one of them yet in my collection. Do you? My bid is 2 boogers, a scab and some pissed on carpet fibers.

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    > I’m tellin ya, Claudel’s got humor. paul, take a

    page out of his play > book, it’d do you some good. Laughin makes you

    live longer, cures what > ails you.

    Chumpel’s got humor? It seems more like he’s constipated with hate. Rash inspired and obsessive hate for the Clintons.

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    Operating a 40-ounce while posting, AGA #1 whack-a-mole, Elvis Kabong – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >in message > courageously avow: > >>In article > >>Some asshole posting today as play on > >>>They won’t even release his friggen tax >returns, which has previously been > >>>routine for nominees… maybe because his >wife is a war profiteer…. > >>Boo Hoo. > >>Whine On >>http://www.tech-sol.net/humor/democratic_seal.jp >g > >>Claude > >For Clod, investigating truth = whining. > >Actually it’s Clod who is the "whiner", whose >repsonses are nothing but > >"whining" about other peoples posts… Clod >being unable to actually dialog > >or refute points, etc. > He would need at lest two brain cells to rub >together.  In this case > he is believed to be missing both sides of that >equation. > Ken Wilson > Posting from the last bastion of freedom and >democracy. > Proud Owner of LV, Paul Know less, PMG, John Boy >Wheaton, Clod >  and the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots >Needing Explanations (URINE) > Former owner of Jet Ski, traded to Elvis Kabong >for a half-eaten twinkie >  and an old stub from a Mom & Dads concert. > www.resisters.ca >Hey Ken, do you want to own Cludsmell >or should we bid on him? He definitely >fits in the puppet-clown category and I don’t >have one of them yet in my collection. >Do you? >My bid is 2 boogers, a scab and some >pissed on carpet fibers.

    Now, Ed. No need to empty your bank account for me. Claude

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    > Now, Ed. > No need to empty your bank account for me. > Claude

    what’da ya say we give claudel a      I-RON-O-METER .   0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10  11 .        ^ .             for that one.

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    You have to give that to him Ed, *that* was good humor. mvm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Operating a 40-ounce while posting, AGA #1 whack-a-mole, Elvis Kabong >in message >>courageously avow: >>>>In article >>>>Some asshole posting today as play on >>>>>They won’t even release his friggen tax >returns, which has previously been >>>>>routine for nominees… maybe because his >wife is a war profiteer…. >>>>Boo Hoo. >>>>Whine On >>>http://www.tech-sol.net/humor/democratic_seal.jp >g >>>>Claude >>>For Clod, investigating truth = whining. >>>Actually it’s Clod who is the "whiner", whose >repsonses are nothing but >>>"whining" about other peoples posts… Clod >being unable to actually dialog >>>or refute points, etc. >>He would need at lest two brain cells to rub >together.  In this case >>he is believed to be missing both sides of that >equation. >>Ken Wilson >>Posting from the last bastion of freedom and >democracy. >>Proud Owner of LV, Paul Know less, PMG, John Boy >Wheaton, Clod >> and the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots >Needing Explanations (URINE) >>Former owner of Jet Ski, traded to Elvis Kabong >for a half-eaten twinkie >> and an old stub from a Mom & Dads concert. >>www.resisters.ca >Hey Ken, do you want to own Cludsmell >or should we bid on him? He definitely >fits in the puppet-clown category and I don’t >have one of them yet in my collection. >Do you? >My bid is 2 boogers, a scab and some >pissed on carpet fibers. > Now, Ed. > No need to empty your bank account for me. > Claude

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    > Operating a 40-ounce while posting, AGA #1 whack-a-mole, Elvis Kabong

    [snip] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hey Ken, do you want to own Cludsmell >or should we bid on him? He definitely >fits in the puppet-clown category and I don’t >have one of them yet in my collection. >Do you? >My bid is 2 boogers, a scab and some >pissed on carpet fibers. > Now, Ed. > No need to empty your bank account for me. > Claude

    I don’t think you need to worry about Edward’s finances.  I’ve heard he has an entire carpet full of pissed on fibers.

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Operating a 40-ounce while posting, AGA #1 whack-a-mole, Elvis Kabong >[snip] > >Hey Ken, do you want to own Cludsmell > >or should we bid on him? He definitely > >fits in the puppet-clown category and I don’t > >have one of them yet in my collection. > >Do you? > >My bid is 2 boogers, a scab and some > >pissed on carpet fibers. > Now, Ed. > No need to empty your bank account for me. > Claude >I don’t think you need to worry about Edward’s >finances.  I’ve heard he has an entire carpet >full of pissed on fibers.

    Ah… I didn’t realize that he was a man of such, uhhh, substance. Claude

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    > In article

    > Operating a 40-ounce while posting, AGA #1

    whack-a-mole, Elvis Kabong – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – blubbered: > [snip] > >Hey Ken, do you want to own Cludsmell > >or should we bid on him? He definitely > >fits in the puppet-clown category and I don’t > >have one of them yet in my collection. > >Do you? > >My bid is 2 boogers, a scab and some > >pissed on carpet fibers. > Now, Ed. > No need to empty your bank account for me. > Claude > I don’t think you need to worry about Edward’s > finances.  I’ve heard he has an entire carpet > full of pissed on fibers.

    Yeah, every time I let my pets get together to play Twister naked, they get so excited, they wet themselves and it gets all over the carpet. This time instead of cleaning it, I thought I’d offer it as a bid for Chumpel since he’s usually invited over by Gtweenie. Say hi to my Lardytard pet parrots: Fraidy Goes To Mars and his twin sock, Liars Fearlars Lulu Loppedoff fishbrain Bikepansy and now introducing Gtweenie (my latest acquisition – thanks Ken)

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    He almost conquered half of Europe ‘Til he got beat at Waterloo And on his deathbed this is what He told his friends to do: "Put my body in a tomb Like all the great ones are Chop off my little sabre And put it in a jar" This impish little Emperor Who inspired a symphony Said, "I hope you’ll name a brandy Or a pastry after me. And of course you’ll come to Corsica When from this life I part Feel free to drink to me And tear my Bonaparte." It was Napoleon’s penis, Napoleon’s penis There wasn’t much between us, just Napoleon’s penis The original French tickler, c’est vrai c’est tres petit Genitalia on display for all the world to see So now whenever I’m in Paris And I’m stuck in some museum Those boring Mona Lisas, man, I just don’t want to see ‘em There’s only one attraction There’s only one I’ve known It’s the first thing that I tell my friends The minute I get home Napoleon’s penis, Napoleon’s penis His highness, His sereness, Napoleon’s penis I know it’s gonna thrill you, no matter who you are Napoleon’s penis – it’s in that little jar – Pat McCurdy

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  • Maybe *this* explains it…

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    Perhaps all the fools in the frozen north have an excuse (of sorts) for acting the way they’ve been acting lately… Socialism in action, folks.  Works *real* good, huh? http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=12ff68fd-087b-437e-9fbf-53… Lord Valve American

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    >Perhaps all the fools in the frozen north have an excuse >(of sorts) for acting the way they’ve been acting lately… >Socialism in action, folks.  Works *real* good, huh? >http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=12ff68fd-087b-437e-9fbf-53… >Lord Valve >American

    Pot smokers are pretty amusing when you think about it.  They get dumber by smoking a joint, and actually think that they got smarter. And the longer they smoke pot, the less they have the ability to realize that they should stop smoking it. The stuff’s an amazing waste of money. Pete — One egg left?  For a nutritious breakfast, two eggs is the minimum requirement!  And I have but one, which is one shy of two!  And it is two that I need! Curses!!! –Mojo Jojo

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Perhaps all the fools in the frozen north have an excuse >(of sorts) for acting the way they’ve been acting lately… >Socialism in action, folks.  Works *real* good, huh? >http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=12ff68fd-087b-437e-9fbf-53… >Lord Valve >American > Pot smokers are pretty amusing when you think about it.  They get > dumber by smoking a joint, and actually think that they got smarter. > And the longer they smoke pot, the less they have the ability to > realize that they should stop smoking it. > The stuff’s an amazing waste of money.

    I agree, but I think pot should be decriminalized or legalized and taxed.  We spend too much time, effort and money enforcing laws against people who smoke or deal in, what is, a very innocuous drug…or weed…or herb.  Certainly less dangerous than alcohol. The primary ‘gateway’ effect of pot, IMO, is that it gets kids (or adults) in a business relationship with criminal drug dealers who will sell anything to anybody…the more addictive the better. Other, more dangerous, drugs should remain illegal and the enforcement effort that was largely wasted on pot laws can be used to crack down (heh) on them. I don’t smoke pot…I don’t care for it. But it’s pretty safe in the landscape of drug-induced ‘perception alteration’ or ‘relaxation response’ or ‘high’…if adults want to do it, I think they should be allowed to, within the boundaries of the law.

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    > Pot smokers are pretty amusing when you think about it.  They get > dumber by smoking a joint, and actually think that they got smarter. > And the longer they smoke pot, the less they have the ability to > realize that they should stop smoking it.

    I had a friend some years back who had lost everything to alcohol, his job, his family, his home, all gone to the booze.  After he hit bottom he began the long climb back, cleaned up, went back to work, started to rebuild his life.  He would smoke an occasional joint, seemed to keep the urge to drink again at a distance, and he didn’t get slobbery or aggressive like he did when he drank, smoking didn’t interfere in his ability to work or be a social creature.  So while I agree that people who constantly smoky up a storm tend to be just as messed up as hard drinkers, in at least this one case I’d say smoking a little herb was not such a bad thing.

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    Very true. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I had a friend some years back who had lost everything to alcohol, his job, > his family, his home, all gone to the booze.  After he hit bottom he began > the long climb back, cleaned up, went back to work, started to rebuild his > life.  He would smoke an occasional joint, seemed to keep the urge to drink > again at a distance, and he didn’t get slobbery or aggressive like he did > when he drank, smoking didn’t interfere in his ability to work or be a > social creature.  So while I agree that people who constantly smoky up a > storm tend to be just as messed up as hard drinkers, in at least this one > case I’d say smoking a little herb was not such a bad thing.

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Perhaps all the fools in the frozen north have an excuse >(of sorts) for acting the way they’ve been acting lately… >Socialism in action, folks.  Works *real* good, huh? >http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=12ff68fd-087b-437e-9fbf-53… >Lord Valve >American > Pot smokers are pretty amusing when you think about it.  They get > dumber by smoking a joint, and actually think that they got smarter. > And the longer they smoke pot, the less they have the ability to > realize that they should stop smoking it.

    Hmm.. http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/pot/a/blucsd030628.htm > The stuff’s an amazing waste of money. > Pete

    Alcohol abuse and obesity cause WAY more problems than pot does. And then you have cigrettes.  Talk about a waste of money! And the undeniable effects on completely innocent non-smokers. Pot should be legalized and taxed to the hilt with the money used to fight REAL problems. HJA

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    > http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=12ff68fd-087b-437e-9fbf-53…

    well..for starters.. we don’t have GWbush as prime minister and our deficit is now under control.. oh…do you know that the war in irak is costing u.s. citizens a billion A WEEK??? georgio — Yamaha Sa-800 Mexi tely with emg’s home built strat with american electrics

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    > Perhaps all the fools in the frozen north have an excuse > (of sorts) for acting the way they’ve been acting lately… > Socialism in action, folks.  Works *real* good, huh? > http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=12ff68fd-087b-437e-9fbf-53… > Lord Valve > American

    but to be serious… pot smoking sucks…because i’m a musician, i’ve met tons of people who smoke weed and none of them has really stopped… the ones that did have turned to pills, booze or cigarette i’m the only one i know that doesn’t even pop a pill when i get a headache.. i’m 40 years old i can ride a bike over 100 km ’s in a day and don’t even feel tired..(done it very often) drugs suck.. it steals your brain cells that should be used for learning .. it costs money.. no thanks georigo p.s. to be on the record..i did smoke weed maybe a dozen times in my life…last time was about 20 years ago.. — Yamaha Sa-800 Mexi tely with emg’s home built strat with american electrics

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> but to be serious… > pot smoking sucks…because i’m a musician, i’ve met tons of people > who smoke weed and none of them has really stopped… > the ones that did have turned to pills, booze or cigarette > i’m the only one i know that doesn’t even pop a pill when i get a > headache.. > i’m 40 years old > i can ride a bike over 100 km ’s in a day and don’t even > feel tired..(done it very often) > drugs suck.. it steals your brain cells that should be used > for learning .. > it costs money.. > no thanks > georigo > p.s. to be on the record..i did smoke weed maybe a dozen times > in my life…last time was about 20 years ago..

    If the headache was bad enough, you would take the medicine, believe me. But that wasn’t your point and I do agree with your philosophy. The real problem, in my view, is that people take drugs who are in pain of one sort or another. Especially those folks that pass the occasional social sharing thing and really become dependent upon the drug in various ways. Having an occasional beer, a couple of times a year, is no big thing. Having a beer or three or four every day is a step toward alcoholism. Pot. I wouldn’t cross the street to receive a free bail of it. I do realize that there are other good folks that would. Then there are the folks that just look at it as an oportunity to make a few bucks. It is the latter group that I do not care for. The outlaws with gross disdain for the legal system in which all of us are supposed to live. Like the person that gets ticketed for speeding by twenty or thirty percent over the speed limit, these folks are destructive to a society that depends upon its citizens abiding by the rules. These folks behave as though "the man" truly exists and is watching over their shoulders. They do not realize that they are "the man". Just as the government has no money of its own, it is ours, the government exists only in its people. When the people refuse to follow their own rules, there is no government. I lost my best friend to drugs back in 1978. He drove like a maniac, drank, used drugs and was a member of a ferocious motorcycle gang (The Pagans). Unbeknownst to most people, he also had a big heart and was one of the most caring people that I have ever met. His whole trip in life was that of being a rebel and fighting "the man". I really miss that dude. Ed Cregger

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    Corect-A-mundo! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Alcohol abuse and obesity cause WAY more problems than pot does. > And then you have cigrettes.  Talk about a waste of money! > And the undeniable effects on completely innocent non-smokers. > Pot should be legalized and taxed to the hilt with the money used to > fight REAL problems. > HJA

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    > Perhaps all the fools in the frozen north have an excuse > (of sorts) for acting the way they’ve been acting lately… > Socialism in action, folks.  Works *real* good, huh? > http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=12ff68fd-087b-437e-9fbf-53… > Lord Valve > American

    So what’s America’s excuse?

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    So what’s americas excuse then ??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Perhaps all the fools in the frozen north have an excuse > (of sorts) for acting the way they’ve been acting lately… > Socialism in action, folks.  Works *real* good, huh? > http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=12ff68fd-087b-437e-9fbf-53… > Lord Valve > American > So what’s America’s excuse?

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    > Perhaps all the fools in the frozen north have an excuse > (of sorts) for acting the way they’ve been acting lately… > Socialism in action, folks.  Works *real* good, huh? > http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=12ff68fd-087b-437e-9fbf-53… > Lord Valve > American

    How have we been acting lately? Chris

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > So what’s americas excuse then ??? >>Perhaps all the fools in the frozen north have an excuse >>(of sorts) for acting the way they’ve been acting lately… >>Socialism in action, folks.  Works *real* good, huh? >>http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=12ff68fd-087b-437e-9fbf-53… >>Lord Valve >>American >So what’s America’s excuse?

    Maybe having a limited number of TRUSTED allies we can count on does that to us.

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So what’s americas excuse then ??? >>>Perhaps all the fools in the frozen north have an excuse >>>(of sorts) for acting the way they’ve been acting lately… >>>Socialism in action, folks.  Works *real* good, huh? >>>http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=12ff68fd-087b-437e-9fbf-53… >>>Lord Valve >>>American >>So what’s America’s excuse? > Maybe having a limited number of TRUSTED allies we can count on does > that to us.

     Aw, my heart pumps pure piss for you poor, hard done by Americans- at least those of you who are stupid enough to think Dubya is doing the right thing in Iraq. What happened to the Coalition of the Willing? For once, Canada didn’t follow America’s lead- being Canadian rules.

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    Hmmmm Fools?  Excuse?  Acting the way "WE" have been acting?  Please enlighten me Lord Valve…..The American! DiAne  The Canadian http://cracked_pumpkinhead.tripod.com/shaggies – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Perhaps all the fools in the frozen north have an excuse > (of sorts) for acting the way they’ve been acting lately… > Socialism in action, folks.  Works *real* good, huh? > http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=12ff68fd-087b-437e-9fbf-53… > Lord Valve > American

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hmmmm > Fools?  Excuse?  Acting the way "WE" have been acting?  Please > enlighten me Lord Valve…..The American! > DiAne  The Canadian > http://cracked_pumpkinhead.tripod.com/shaggies > Ha! Nothing but silence from Lard Valve! Maybe he should fully engage > his brain before he posts crap. > Bob > Canadian

    ANOTHER putz comes down with a severe case of The Willies. Oh, well…another day, another dingleberry… Lord Valve American

    Response:

    > Hmmmm > Fools?  Excuse?  Acting the way "WE" have been acting?  Please > enlighten me Lord Valve…..The American! > DiAne  The Canadian > http://cracked_pumpkinhead.tripod.com/shaggies

    Ha! Nothing but silence from Lard Valve! Maybe he should fully engage his brain before he posts crap. Bob Canadian

    Response:

    CHEST?! -You say? Like LV was ever capable of "bench-pressing" more than a horrified and confused teen/male coon dog’s ass up offa his lice-ridden beard? Thanks to some topically-applied pharmaceutical agent (Moronixadildo) LV’s meatslab* grew a ponytail!…he drags it around the shop floor to collect and recycle flux. * EL MEATSLAB (Below the perma-marker): http://poetry.rotten.com/tummy-tuck/0002/ Maybe *that* explained it… …horK! Gerflobble BARF! fart…oh, God, you’d thing that-  by…now… Gaaaaag. I’d be clinically BEYOND this visceral—-OH GOD— FIREHYDRANTflabgabblevomitpukeBUICK!….reaction. ptuey. "I’LL NEVER LV pic again". ptuey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->ANOTHER putz comes down with a severe case of The Willies. >Oh, well…another day, another dingleberry… >Lord Valve >American > You got that right, buttplug. Just keep eatin’ those dingleberries- > they’ll put hair on your chest. > Bob > Canadian

    Response:

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Hmmmm > > Fools?  Excuse?  Acting the way "WE" have been acting?  Please > > enlighten me Lord Valve…..The American! > > DiAne  The Canadian > > http://cracked_pumpkinhead.tripod.com/shaggies > Ha! Nothing but silence from Lard Valve! Maybe he should fully engage > his brain before he posts crap. > Bob > Canadian > ANOTHER putz comes down with a severe case of The Willies. > Oh, well…another day, another dingleberry… > Lord Valve > American

    HA HA HA Lord Valve….just a hunch but I’m thinking you need to get off the crack before commenting on Canucks and weed!  ;)

    Response:

    > ANOTHER putz comes down with a severe case of The Willies. > Oh, well…another day, another dingleberry… > Lord Valve > American

    You got that right, buttplug. Just keep eatin’ those dingleberries- they’ll put hair on your chest. Bob Canadian

    Response:

    Wouldn’t that require him to engage his crapper first? It’s a symbiotic thing with him. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hmmmm >Fools?  Excuse?  Acting the way "WE" have been acting?  Please >enlighten me Lord Valve…..The American! >DiAne  The Canadian >http://cracked_pumpkinhead.tripod.com/shaggies > Ha! Nothing but silence from Lard Valve! Maybe he should fully engage > his brain before he posts crap. > Bob > Canadian

    Response:

    _His_ "crack" drags the shop’s pavement, making "getting off it" a clinical impossibilty. The pathology of morbid obesity isn’t pretty….Once it goes upstairs, APOe4’s into the land of necrotic neural granulomas and sticky-wickies across the convoluted grey surface of the genetically fate-destined / afflicted meatslab dragger….then "WYSIWYG"…those repetitive cut ‘n paste vs. original-thought / witicisms are the SUFFERER. William Whitikre f-a-d-e-s neurobiologically Marc Mulay will f-a-d-e new-job-economically. May the star you follow be bright. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Hmmmm >>>Fools?  Excuse?  Acting the way "WE" have been acting?  Please >>>enlighten me Lord Valve…..The American! >>>DiAne  The Canadian >>>http://cracked_pumpkinhead.tripod.com/shaggies >>Ha! Nothing but silence from Lard Valve! Maybe he should fully engage >>his brain before he posts crap. >>Bob >>Canadian >ANOTHER putz comes down with a severe case of The Willies. >Oh, well…another day, another dingleberry… >Lord Valve >American > HA HA HA Lord Valve….just a hunch but I’m thinking you need to get > off the crack before commenting on Canucks and weed!  ;)

    Response:

    > Wouldn’t that require him to engage his crapper first? It’s a symbiotic > thing with him.

    I think it has more with his cerebral cortex being routed through his large intestine. Bob

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  • Bush Taking Anti-Depressants!

    Question:

    > Bill Clinton didn’t inhale.  What’s Bush’s excuse, he holds the alcohol in > his mouth but doesn’t swallow??? > He sucks the Prozac pills but doesn’t actually swallow them?

    And he choked on some prezels and fell and cut his head. — "The President didn’t find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, so he’s turned his campaign into a weapon of mass deception."  Sen. John Kerry All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good people to stand by and do nothing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

    Response:

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->beshitteth down into alt.usenet.kooks : >>"Keep those motherfuckers away from me" >>Bush Taking Anti-Depressants to Control Mood Swings >>By CHB Staff >>President George W. Bush is taking anti-depressant drugs to control his erratic >>behavior, depression and paranoia, Capitol Hill Blue has learned. >And Bill Clinton was a pothead…what’s your point? >Bill Clinton IS NOT a pothead. He’s a cokehead. Thank you.

    You are welcome. — Lady Chatterly "Hey everyone!  Luciferious and Lady C. … Two people who are not playing with full decks. This is a match made in heaven! ….well maybe somewhere besides heaven… " — Bob Abendroth

    Response:

    > BTW, I’m familiar with bupropion.  I doubt that you can attribute any > hardcore personality defects to that…

    nothing I’ve heard of.  but the person taking it can become aggressive, in fact that’s a side effect. — http://tinyurl.com/6t6c3

    Response:

    >Bill Clinton didn’t inhale.  What’s Bush’s excuse, he holds the alcohol in >his mouth but doesn’t swallow??? >He sucks the Prozac pills but doesn’t actually swallow them?

    What do you suck?

    Response:

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"Keep those motherfuckers away from me" >Bush Taking Anti-Depressants to Control Mood Swings >By CHB Staff >President George W. Bush is taking anti-depressant drugs to control his erratic >behavior, depression and paranoia, Capitol Hill Blue has learned. >The prescription drugs, administered by Col. Richard J. Tubb, the White House >physician, can impair the President


  • What's that smell?

    Question:

    Questions swirl around Kerry’s Silver Star Researchers say ‘unheard of’ multiple citations ’sanitize’ record Posted: August 26, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern


  • Pot Smoking in the Caribbean

    Question:

    Sailing the Eastern Caribbean route soon, is there any place you can legally buy pot and smoke it???

    Response:

    > Sailing the Eastern Caribbean route soon, is there any place you can legally > buy pot and smoke it???

    I don’t know of any place in the Easter Carib where weed is legal, not even in Dutch St. Marteen. Howie

    Response:

    >Sailing the Eastern Caribbean route soon, is there any place you can legally >buy pot and smoke it???

    In a word, no.  Jamaica has a tradition amongst locals, but it is not legal.  You are just trolling for trouble if you shop for pot while on your cruise. Rent a DVD of "Midnight Express".  It’s based on a true story; Hollywood did not embellish but toned down that story. —  To  email me, Edit "xt" from my email address.   Brian M. Kochera    "Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once!"  View My Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~brian1951

    Response:

    > Sailing the Eastern Caribbean route soon, is there any place you can legally > buy pot and smoke it???

    No and don’t play around with this idea either. The Carib is not the USA; you are not under USA jurisdiction; in short, if you get busted, you are screwed blue and tattooed. Consider this; if you buy pot in the USA, great chance you will buy it from someone who wants your repeat business. What incentive does a Carib have? None. If they want to adulterate your buy, who cares? They got your money, you got a medical problem. Think they all love Non Caribs? Think again. And if they don’t mess with your head/high, then they can always pick up a few extra bucks….getting you busted. Double pay day; nice for them, sux for you. Oh, one last thing. Believe every one of those ganja guys are for real? Don’t think any of them are undercover or private cover for the hotels? Au contraire. This isn’t a personal condemnation of you or of marijuana. The pot laws are absurd and it is illegal because it makes  bad folks the most money that way. But until they change, if they ever do, don’t fool around with anything illegal in the Carib. The jails do not have panoramic views of the beach. http://www.carigem.org/travel_tips_construction.htm http://www.niar.twsu.edu/belize/images/Jail%20Monkey%20River%20Town.jpg

    Response:

    ..It is also illegal because a few are still able to recognize the fact that it eventually screws up the mind. …It isn’t like having a drink or two; it affects an individual’s long-term perception of reality. ..I’m not saying it doesn’t have its place in the medical world, but one should never equate a joint with a beer.   ..I would suggest that a lot of problems with the youth of today — IE: the over abundance of violence (children going to the extreme of killing other children etc.) — is a direct result of its usage.  …Likewise, the reason we have so many ludicrous laws in today’s society, is because the majority of those involved with the making of them, are the ones that already burnt their mind out in the 60s and 70s.    …Jon

    Response:

    >> Sailing the Eastern Caribbean route soon, is there any place you can legally > buy pot and smoke it??? > No and don’t play around with this idea either. The Carib is not the USA; > you are not under USA jurisdiction; in short, if you get busted, you are > screwed blue and tattooed.

      :   : > But until they change, if they ever do, don’t fool around with anything > illegal in the Carib. > The jails do not have panoramic views of the beach. > http://www.carigem.org/travel_tips_construction.htm > http://www.niar.twsu.edu/belize/images/Jail%20Monkey%20River%20Town.jpg

    There you go, messing up Natural Selection!

    Response:

    > ..It is also illegal because a few are still able to recognize the fact > that it eventually screws up the mind. …It isn’t like having a drink > or two; it affects an individual’s long-term perception of reality. > ..I’m not saying it doesn’t have its place in the medical world, but > one should never equate a joint with a beer. > ..I would suggest that a lot of problems with the youth of today — IE: > the over abundance of violence (children going to the extreme of killing > other children etc.) — is a direct result of its usage.  …Likewise, > the reason we have so many ludicrous laws in today’s society, is because > the majority of those involved with the making of them, are the ones > that already burnt their mind out in the 60s and 70s.    …Jon

    Oh please! I’m not a pot smoker, but saying it’s the root of all evil in today’s youth is plain ignorant! The reason kids today have the issues they have is because of their parents. Passing the buck to this great evil or that great evil is lazy and just finger pointing. Now adult issues could be chalked up to the illegal status of pot, but not blamed directly on pot itself. I would much rather have my daughter smoke pot than drink. There is no evidence that pot is addictive. Alcohol is. As is tobacco. And that I know for sure. I was a smoker for years and quit the day we found out our daughter was coming. One of the toughest things I’ve ever done. Like Chrissy said. The only reason pot is illegal is because it makes the wrong people rich. (paraphrasing) I also have a warped opinion on medicinal marijuana too. I think that’s just a way for the government to control the legal sale of the stuff. Watch, in our lifetimes, pot will be legalized and sold OTC as a government controlled income. Think alcohol and tobacco taxes… Government controlled income… benefiting themselves. Also, I compare today’s issue of the legalization of pot to the same debate around the time of prohibition. I also have a strong feeling or inkling or whatever ya wanna call it, that once pot is legalized, a lot of the prison will be less populated, a lot of the "drug wars" will end. Gang violence will subside somewhat and that the entire thing will become less popular. I mean, at this point, it’s such a huge debate that most people that smoke are just being rebellious, and if it were legal, these rebellious people would just quit smoking the stuff because it isn’t like sneaking around or secretive anymore. Maybe I’m making very little sense (as usual), but Hey, I’m overly medicated. Dental surgery last week, and then 2 broken ribs! I think that *I* need some medicinal marijuana lol LES!<back to lurkdome>

    Response:

    Well Chrissy. I usually don’t like reading your posts.. but you have hit the nail so hard on the head. Drugs and any other illegal behavior is strictly a no-no around the Caribbean..  and yes.  Glendairy Prison in Barbados is not where anyone wants to spend time. and trust me.. the courts around her DO NOT like drugs of anykind.. Sunniebgi

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sailing the Eastern Caribbean route soon, is there any place you can legally > buy pot and smoke it??? > No and don’t play around with this idea either. The Carib is not the USA; > you are not under USA jurisdiction; in short, if you get busted, you are > screwed blue and tattooed. > Consider this; if you buy pot in the USA, great chance you will buy it from > someone who wants your repeat business. What incentive does a Carib have? > None. If they want to adulterate your buy, who cares? They got your money, > you got a medical problem. Think they all love Non Caribs? Think again. > And if they don’t mess with your head/high, then they can always pick up a > few extra bucks….getting you busted. Double pay day; nice for them, sux > for you. > Oh, one last thing. > Believe every one of those ganja guys are for real? Don’t think any of them > are undercover or private cover for the hotels? Au contraire. > This isn’t a personal condemnation of you or of marijuana. The pot laws are > absurd and it is illegal because it makes  bad folks the most money that > way. > But until they change, if they ever do, don’t fool around with anything > illegal in the Carib. > The jails do not have panoramic views of the beach. > http://www.carigem.org/travel_tips_construction.htm > http://www.niar.twsu.edu/belize/images/Jail%20Monkey%20River%20Town.jpg

    Response:

    Les… A lot of talk, but you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.  Hope your daughter doesn’t take your advice.    …Jon

    Response:

    > ..I would suggest that a lot of problems with the youth of today — IE: > the over abundance of violence (children going to the extreme of killing > other children etc.) — is a direct result of its usage.

    This has to be one of the funniest things I’ve ever read – blaming pot smoking for violence. Lee

    Response:

    > ..It is also illegal because a few are still able to recognize the fact > that it eventually screws up the mind. …It isn’t like having a drink > or two; it affects an individual’s long-term perception of reality. > ..I’m not saying it doesn’t have its place in the medical world, but > one should never equate a joint with a beer.   > ..I would suggest that a lot of problems with the youth of today — IE: > the over abundance of violence (children going to the extreme of killing > other children etc.) — is a direct result of its usage.  …Likewise, > the reason we have so many ludicrous laws in today’s society, is because > the majority of those involved with the making of them, are the ones > that already burnt their mind out in the 60s and 70s.    …Jon

    Good God Almighty, this post is so full of it, Johnny. Seriously, get an update; there may not be a shred of accuracy in ANY of this.

    Response:

    >>> ..I would suggest that a lot of problems with the youth of today — IE: >> the over abundance of violence (children going to the extreme of killing >> other children etc.) — is a direct result of its usage. >This has to be one of the funniest things I’ve ever read – blaming pot >smoking for violence. > This was all covered in "Reefer Madness".

    A reliable, historical, scientifically researched documentary if I ever saw one. LOL http://www.crrh.org/hemptv/misc_reefer.html

    Response:

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ..It is also illegal because a few are still able to recognize the fact > that it eventually screws up the mind. …It isn’t like having a drink > or two; it affects an individual’s long-term perception of reality. > ..I’m not saying it doesn’t have its place in the medical world, but > one should never equate a joint with a beer. > ..I would suggest that a lot of problems with the youth of today — IE: > the over abundance of violence (children going to the extreme of killing > other children etc.) — is a direct result of its usage.  …Likewise, > the reason we have so many ludicrous laws in today’s society, is because > the majority of those involved with the making of them, are the ones > that already burnt their mind out in the 60s and 70s.    …Jon > Good God Almighty, this post is so full of it, Johnny. Seriously, get an > update; there may not be a shred of accuracy in ANY of this.

    Especially about the downplaying of the dangers of alcohol. Even in small quantities alcohol kills brain cells, may damage the liver, kidneys and eyesight and contribute to domestic abuse, child neglect, vehicular deaths and homicide rates. Now if all the alcoholics would just light up and chill out… :-) JJ

    Response:

    >Also, I compare today’s issue of the legalization of pot to the same >debate around the time of prohibition. > I agree! >Maybe I’m making very little sense (as usual), but Hey, I’m overly >medicated. Dental surgery last week, and then 2 broken ribs! I think >that *I* need some medicinal marijuana lol >LES!<back to lurkdome> > Two broken ribs?  Who beat YOU up??

    Actually, it’s a perfect subject for an Alanis Morissette song… Ironic. I had dental surgery, and didn’t eat for over 3 days and knew I needed some vitamins, so I decided to take some multi-vitamins. I started choking on them and Jarrod hadda give me heimlich, I panicked, turned, and he broke them. Imagine! Choking to death on a multi-vitamin! lol LES!

    Response:

    > Maybe I’m making very little sense (as usual), but Hey, I’m overly > medicated. Dental surgery last week, and then 2 broken ribs! I think > that > *I* need some medicinal marijuana lol > LES!<back to lurkdome> > Hey LES. Was it a GAY guy who kicked the crap out of you, or a > straight guy. Or did you piss off one of those big ass lesbians? > Tobie>>>>on an Island in the Pacific

    lol. Actually, it was someone who claimed to love me… I’m milking it for all it’s worth. He even took a week and a half off to take care of me lol. LES!

    Response:

    > Les… A lot of talk, but you don’t have a clue what you’re talking > about.  Hope your daughter doesn’t take your advice.    …Jon

    Well, I’d prefer she did neither. I have issues with anything illegal. And that includes pot. If it’s illegal, it shouldn’t be done. Regardless of political or common sense reasoning, it’s still a crime, period. But yes, I do have many clues as to what I’m talking about. And lots of strong opinions. But I don’t feel like opening another post to see what you might be responding specifically to, and since you never quote what you’re replying to, I have no idea. LES!

    Response:

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> ..It is also illegal because a few are still able to recognize the fact >> that it eventually screws up the mind. …It isn’t like having a drink >> or two; it affects an individual’s long-term perception of reality. >> ..I’m not saying it doesn’t have its place in the medical world, but >> one should never equate a joint with a beer. >> ..I would suggest that a lot of problems with the youth of today — IE: >> the over abundance of violence (children going to the extreme of killing >> other children etc.) — is a direct result of its usage.  …Likewise, >> the reason we have so many ludicrous laws in today’s society, is because >> the majority of those involved with the making of them, are the ones >> that already burnt their mind out in the 60s and 70s.    …Jon > Good God Almighty, this post is so full of it, Johnny. Seriously, get an > update; there may not be a shred of accuracy in ANY of this. > Especially about the downplaying of the dangers of alcohol. Even in > small quantities alcohol kills brain cells, may damage the liver, > kidneys and eyesight and contribute to domestic abuse, child neglect, > vehicular deaths and homicide rates. Now if all the alcoholics would > JJ

    Response:

    >> ..I would suggest that a lot of problems with the youth of today — IE: > the over abundance of violence (children going to the extreme of killing > other children etc.) — is a direct result of its usage. >This has to be one of the funniest things I’ve ever read – blaming pot >smoking for violence. >Lee

    Actually, it’s all the artificial sweeteners in soft drinks.  There’s statistical evidence to back this. There are three kinds of liars … — dillon When I was a kid, I thought the angel’s name was Hark and the horse’s name was Bob.

    Response:

    Sorry to hear of your injury. Was it a Wilma, a Fred or a Dino that caused the problem? Mark.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Also, I compare today’s issue of the legalization of pot to the same > >debate around the time of prohibition. > I agree! > >Maybe I’m making very little sense (as usual), but Hey, I’m overly > >medicated. Dental surgery last week, and then 2 broken ribs! I think > >that *I* need some medicinal marijuana lol > >LES!<back to lurkdome> > Two broken ribs?  Who beat YOU up?? > Actually, it’s a perfect subject for an Alanis Morissette song… Ironic. I > had dental surgery, and didn’t eat for over 3 days and knew I needed some > vitamins, so I decided to take some multi-vitamins. I started choking on > them and Jarrod hadda give me heimlich, I panicked, turned, and he broke > them. > Imagine! Choking to death on a multi-vitamin! lol > LES!

    Response:

    I say, If you are that damned dumb, go for it. I mean, bullshit, you have your RIGHTS. If you want some pot/ganja get some. Oh…and…be sure to let the cops know about your RIGHTS too. Remember though, YOU WERE WARNED!!!!!!! Pot Smoking in the Caribbean   Sailing the Eastern Caribbean route soon, is there any place you can legally buy pot and smoke it???

    Response:

    Just because pot is considerably more acceptable in todays society as opposed to what is was 40 years ago, one should not jump to the conclusion that it is safe to use.  …In fact, many still live under the misconception that it’s use is not all that different than having a beer or two. This is wrong, and for the most part, is a dangerous conclusion adopted by those who have never even tried it. ..As I mentioned in my last post, unlike alcohol, which is a mild depressant, pot affects one’s very perception of reality. It has the ability to not only alter one’s ability to think coherently, but it can also induce imperceptible mood disorders and personality changes (even when taken in small quantities). ….Moreover, these effects can linger on, long after the initial buzz has worn off.    ….Unfortunately, this inherent danger operates somewhat insidiously, and unfortunately, cannot be comprehended by those who use it on a regular basis.     …Jon

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> ..I would suggest that a lot of problems with the youth of today — IE: >>> the over abundance of violence (children going to the extreme of killing >>> other children etc.) — is a direct result of its usage. >>This has to be one of the funniest things I’ve ever read – blaming pot >>smoking for violence. > This was all covered in "Reefer Madness". >A reliable, historical, scientifically researched documentary if I ever saw >one.

    It taught me all I know about the horrors of smoking pot.  Of course, I was pretty stoned at the time. >LOL >http://www.crrh.org/hemptv/misc_reefer.html

    – dillon When I was a kid, I thought the angel’s name was Hark and the horse’s name was Bob.

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Just because pot is considerably more acceptable in todays society as >opposed to what is was 40 years ago, one should not jump to the >conclusion that it is safe to use.  …In fact, many still live under >the misconception that it’s use is not all that different than having a >beer or two. This is wrong, and for the most part, is a dangerous >conclusion adopted by those who have never even tried it. >..As I mentioned in my last post, unlike alcohol, which is a mild >depressant, pot affects one’s very perception of reality. It has the >ability to not only alter one’s ability to think coherently, but it can >also induce imperceptible mood disorders and personality changes (even >when taken in small quantities). ….Moreover, these effects can linger >on, long after the initial buzz has worn off.    ….Unfortunately, this >inherent danger operates somewhat insidiously, and unfortunately, cannot >be comprehended by those who use it on a regular basis.     …Jon

    And alcohol doesn’t affect perception?  What about the joke that "no one is ugly after 3 beers"?  Why is DUI such a big problem.  Alcohol is a drug, a mood altering substance. Did you know that most alcoholics are bipolar? — dillon When I was a kid, I thought the angel’s name was Hark and the horse’s name was Bob.

    Response:

    Just say no …to WebTV Although your post sounds very scientific and knowledgeable – it’s just plain wrong. – are you claiming that alcohol doesn’t affect one’s perception of reality?? – marijuana does not create mood disorders or personality changes   (and if a mood disorder is imperceptible, does it exist?) Mark

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just because pot is considerably more acceptable in todays society as > opposed to what is was 40 years ago, one should not jump to the > conclusion that it is safe to use.  …In fact, many still live under > the misconception that it’s use is not all that different than having a > beer or two. This is wrong, and for the most part, is a dangerous > conclusion adopted by those who have never even tried it. > ..As I mentioned in my last post, unlike alcohol, which is a mild > depressant, pot affects one’s very perception of reality. It has the > ability to not only alter one’s ability to think coherently, but it can > also induce imperceptible mood disorders and personality changes (even > when taken in small quantities). ….Moreover, these effects can linger > on, long after the initial buzz has worn off.    ….Unfortunately, this > inherent danger operates somewhat insidiously, and unfortunately, cannot > be comprehended by those who use it on a regular basis.     …Jon

    Response:

    Dillon… Having a beer does not alter one’s perception of reality; a joint does.  …And God only knows what damage this is doing to the brain itself.   …And by "mood altering", I’m referring to the effects which can be apparent, days, or even weeks after its usage.  …I think you’ll find that most heavy pot smokers take on a "could give a shi%" outlook on life.  …Life’s a beer … I’m here for a good time; not a long time.   ..See your kid slumping in grades at school. ….Bet it isn’t from having an occasional beer.  ….And, by the way…Don’t try to compare full blown alcoholism to what I’m implying here.    …Jon

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  • First timer

    Question:

    Any suggestions re what to do or see (or not) in Sydney and surrounds for a first time visitor?  Thanks in advance. Tom Spence

    Response:

    > Any suggestions re what to do or see (or not) in Sydney and surrounds for a > first time visitor?  Thanks in advance. > Tom Spence

    Sydney is on of the most exciting, interesting cities in the world. You will have to be a little more specific in your question. How much time have you got? When are you coming? What are your interests (sports, nightlife, scenery, culture, food)? Will you be travelling alone?

    Response:

    >Any suggestions re what to do or see (or not) in Sydney and surrounds for a >first time visitor?  Thanks in advance. >Tom Spence

    See the thread "Sydney – in one day?" from a couple of days ago where this came up recently. Briefly, some ideas: Manly Ferry http://www.sydneyferries.info/, spectacular harbour views. Opera House Australia Square (I vaguely remember it’s under AU$20 for the viewing level). http://www.australia.com/places_to_go/explore_by_maps/New_South_Wales… or http://tinyurl.com/4ygm5 Darling Harbour Taronga Park Zoo (see the ferry site) Any beach – but Manly is best because you also get the ferry Hyde Park Luna Park (for kids) or just wander and meet people down at the Rocks. How long are you going to be in Sydney? Cheers, Alan —

    Response:

    http://www.australia.com/places_to_go/explore_by_maps/New_South_Wales… > or http://tinyurl.com/4ygm5 > Darling Harbour > Taronga Park Zoo (see the ferry site) > Any beach – but Manly is best because you also get the ferry > Hyde Park > Luna Park (for kids) > or just wander and meet people down at the Rocks.

    Also, ferry to Watsons Bay, walk over and look at the coastal cliffs, then back to Watson’s Bay for seafood at the restaurant ($$$), fish and chips in the park, or seafood and beer at the pub, while watching the sun set over Sydney. Ferry or bus back to town. The Sydney fish market for lunch -mmmmm. Tom

    Response:

    >http://www.australia.com/places_to_go/explore_by_maps/New_South_Wales… > or http://tinyurl.com/4ygm5 > Darling Harbour > Taronga Park Zoo (see the ferry site) > Any beach – but Manly is best because you also get the ferry > Hyde Park > Luna Park (for kids) > or just wander and meet people down at the Rocks. >Also, ferry to Watsons Bay, walk over and look at the coastal cliffs, then >back to Watson’s Bay for seafood at the restaurant ($$$), fish and chips in >the park, or seafood and beer at the pub, while watching the sun set over >Sydney. Ferry or bus back to town.

    The walk from Watsons Bay can reveal some, *ahem*, interesting sights, mainly around the Lady Bay area. :D Dave ===== NSW Rural Fire Service – become a volunteer today. http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/

    Response:

    | Any suggestions re what to do or see (or not) in Sydney and surrounds for a | first time visitor?  Thanks in advance. | | Tom Spence http://www.whats-on-in-sydney.com.au/sydney/sydney_tourism.htm

    Response:

    Any suggestions re what to do or see (or not) in Sydney and surrounds for a first time visitor?  Thanks in advance. Tom Spence –multiplaza.nl.nu–

    Response:

    Ron — You can quit.  If we can all quit, then you can quit.  Read and post as much as you can — it truly does help. Hang in there and Hang out here, Coleen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, >       I’ve seriously decided to quit smoking. I am on my first week of > taking Zyban. I  smoke usually 40 -45 per day, but I find with the Zyban > I can manage to cut this to 10 at the moment. I am not looking forward > to next week when I reduce this to zero! > Has anyone any experience of Zyban here? > At the moment I’m trying to prepare by not smoking when drinking coffee, > or first thing in the morning etc. > I know the Zyban hasn’t really kicked in yet, but I’m still worried that > I can last only six hours or so! > Any ideas?

    Response:

    Eh !  I was scared too.  As a matter of fact my first post in here went but look at my meter now Ctrl_Q in Montreal, Quebec I have NOT smoked for 1 month, 17 hours. — 732 cigarettes not smoked for a saving of $121.02.

    Response:

    Hi Ron, I’m new in my quit only 4 days, but a little ahead of you and am taking Welburtrin (same thing as Zyban). I used the patch for the first 3 days because I was scared to trust in the Zyban. But I haven’t had a patch in 24 hours. I have managed to stay quit. I had one moment today that I wanted a cig, but wrote to the group instead. It helps to have other things to distract yourself. It hasn’t been that hard not to smoke generally. I do have to admit there are times it is harder and I expect them. Like getting up first thing in the morning, or with that first cup of coffee, or when I finish a project. But I put my reasons for quitting before me and let those moments lose their battle to trap me again. My goal is to stay quit. It’s a mental thing more than anything. I’ve been told I’ll start having serious withdrawal now that I’m not using the patch. But so far the worst has been that my face looks like a mine field. The poisons have started to come out. I intend to sit in the sauna after my work out this evening. I’m hoping that will help me to sweat out some of the poisons. Keep in your mind you have control and it is easier. Have a good quit! Theresa Four days, 5 hours, 8 minutes and 59 seconds. 84 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6.32. Life saved: 7 hours, 0 minutes.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, >       I’ve seriously decided to quit smoking. I am on my first week of > taking Zyban. I  smoke usually 40 -45 per day, but I find with the Zyban > I can manage to cut this to 10 at the moment. I am not looking forward > to next week when I reduce this to zero! > Has anyone any experience of Zyban here? > At the moment I’m trying to prepare by not smoking when drinking coffee, > or first thing in the morning etc. > I know the Zyban hasn’t really kicked in yet, but I’m still worried that > I can last only six hours or so! > Any ideas?

    Response:

    >"Ron.M" wrote > I know the Zyban hasn’t really kicked in yet, but I’m still worried that > I can last only six hours or so…….

    Part of the problem may be that you are cutting down too soon. My doctor told me to keep smoking ‘as normal’ for the first week of taking zyban .. because that’s what tells the brain how much dopamine zyban has to deal with. As I understand it (and my knowledge of matters pharmaceutical is quite limited) the brain needs to be able to ‘balance’ the two .. which is why you continue to smoke for the first week, then stop. GraC (who’s on the countdown .. I will quit smoking in 3 days, 14 hours, 1 minutes and 56 seconds.)         Graham Cairns – Journalist and Educator         I work for, not speak for, my employers www.cairnscommunications.com  icq#104657245

    Response:

    Wow! That’s a big step.  45 down to ten can’t be easy – especially if you’re not mentally prepared. Why are you quitting?  Is it because you have been told to, because you feel you have got to or because you want to. If it’s either of the first two, you’ll always find it difficult.  My advice would be not to stop until you have convinced yourself that you want to stop, and that the urge comes from within.  Whenever there is a feeling of outside pressure you will always feel like you are not in control. Make yourself believe you want to quit, get in control, and get your life back – you will be so glad you did. Jonny www.smokeworm.com ~J~ {O}

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, >       I’ve seriously decided to quit smoking. I am on my first week of > taking Zyban. I  smoke usually 40 -45 per day, but I find with the Zyban > I can manage to cut this to 10 at the moment. I am not looking forward > to next week when I reduce this to zero! > Has anyone any experience of Zyban here? > At the moment I’m trying to prepare by not smoking when drinking coffee, > or first thing in the morning etc. > I know the Zyban hasn’t really kicked in yet, but I’m still worried that > I can last only six hours or so! > Any ideas?

    Response:

    Welcome to the group.  This group is a great help, believe me, read and post, one day at a time.  I used Zyban once and it really helped with the cravings.  It doesn’t reach it’s peak until about 2 weeks.  I had problems sleeping while I was on it…stopped taking it too soon….lost that quit.  I’ve been on the patches for 1 month.  Today is my first day without. Theresa One month, 9 hours, 48 minutes and 12 seconds. 568 cigarettes not smoked, saving $56.82. Life saved: 1 day, 23 hours, 20 minutes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, >       I’ve seriously decided to quit smoking. I am on my first week of > taking Zyban. I  smoke usually 40 -45 per day, but I find with the Zyban > I can manage to cut this to 10 at the moment. I am not looking forward > to next week when I reduce this to zero! > Has anyone any experience of Zyban here? > At the moment I’m trying to prepare by not smoking when drinking coffee, > or first thing in the morning etc. > I know the Zyban hasn’t really kicked in yet, but I’m still worried that > I can last only six hours or so! > Any ideas?

    Response:

    "Ron.M" wrote > I know the Zyban hasn’t really kicked in yet, but I’m still worried that > I can last only six hours or so…….

    My God, Ron! *Only* six hours!? You’re a stallion, man! I mean, if I could last six hours…. Oh…. You meant…. not smoking…. Sorry. Lots of Zyban users here will be happy to help you. I went cold turkey, myself. I was just nearly blinded by that 6 hour bit, there…. Welcome, and stay strong! JEF., OF Clean 1 year, 3 months, 4 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes 23,119 cigarettes unsmoked;  $4,045.83 saved! She walked up to me so gracefully and took my crown of thorns. "Come in," she said, "I’ll give you shelter from the storm."

    Response:

    Hi Ron and welcome to AS3, pull up a chair and make yourself comfortable. I can’t help with the Zyban but I do know it’s widely used by others here and I’m sure one of them will be along to give you lots of advice very soon :) Wow you’re half way to quitting already if you’ve dropped to 10 a day well done! I’m sure once you get started with your quit you’ll be fine and the first day is a great motivator to get through day 2 and so on. If you haven’t got your meter yet pop along to the meter store at http://www.silkquit.org and grab one, you can set a quit date and enter it and it’ll do a countdown to your quit…you’ll be surprised at how eager you are to get going watching that time tick away :) Post as much as you like Ron, rant and rave, scream and shout, laugh and cry with us, we all know what you’re going through so lean on us as much as you need. Nice to have you with us Ron :) padders (


  • Non-smoking cruises

    Question:

    Now that the Carnival Paradise is dropping its smoke-free policy, are there any non-smoking or very limited smoking cruise ships available for smoke impaired folks like me? Thinking of Caribbean in Feb/05. Thanks…

    Response:

    None.  It was an unsuccessful business experiment.

    Response:

    I despise cigarette smoke, and cruised on Paradise when she was about a year old.    I cannot imagine a grumpier more complaining bunch than my fellow passengers.   I don’t know if many were trying to quit smoking or what the heck their story was.   But, it came as close to being a "bad" cruise as I’ve experienced.    I loved the ship, and the service and food were great. But, I never even considered sailing on her again. Before Paradise, I never thought much about how much other passengers impact my cruise vacation.   My first cruise after Paradise was Celebration out of Galveston, an older and smaller ship.  But, Celebration was practically filled with fun loving partying Texans.   Now, THAT was a cruise!  I guess given the choice between grumps & fun smokers, I’ll take the smokers. Nina ==>  Posting so much because I keep taking breaks from the really boring test plans I’m writing today.   The things I do to finance my cruise! <vbg>

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> None.  It was an unsuccessful business experiment.

    Response:

    >Now that the Carnival Paradise is dropping its smoke-free policy, are >there any non-smoking or very limited smoking cruise ships available >for smoke impaired folks like me? Thinking of Caribbean in Feb/05. >Thanks…

    Hi Clair, You might want to consider either Oceania or Windjammer as both have very limited smoking. Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com

    Response:

    Nina, While I also despise cigarette smoke, and the smell of people who smoke, I have to say that last year on Statendam was the first time that I never smelled either it or people inside. — DG in Cherry Hill, NJ

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I despise cigarette smoke, and cruised on Paradise when she was about a year > old.    I cannot imagine a grumpier more complaining bunch than my fellow > passengers.   I don’t know if many were trying to quit smoking or what the > heck their story was.   But, it came as close to being a "bad" cruise as > I’ve experienced.    I loved the ship, and the service and food were great. > But, I never even considered sailing on her again. > Before Paradise, I never thought much about how much other passengers impact > my cruise vacation.   My first cruise after Paradise was Celebration out of > Galveston, an older and smaller ship.  But, Celebration was practically > filled with fun loving partying Texans.   Now, THAT was a cruise!  I guess > given the choice between grumps & fun smokers, I’ll take the smokers. > Nina ==>  Posting so much because I keep taking breaks from the really > boring test plans I’m writing today.   The things I do to finance my cruise! > <vbg> > None.  It was an unsuccessful business experiment.

    Response:

    Goldie, how about your own BO, stinky! haha

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nina, > While I also despise cigarette smoke, and the smell of people who smoke, I > have to say that last year on Statendam was the first time that I never > smelled either it or people inside. > — > DG in Cherry Hill, NJ > I despise cigarette smoke, and cruised on Paradise when she was about a > year > old.    I cannot imagine a grumpier more complaining bunch than my fellow > passengers.   I don’t know if many were trying to quit smoking or what the > heck their story was.   But, it came as close to being a "bad" cruise as > I’ve experienced.    I loved the ship, and the service and food were > great. > But, I never even considered sailing on her again. > Before Paradise, I never thought much about how much other passengers > impact > my cruise vacation.   My first cruise after Paradise was Celebration out > of > Galveston, an older and smaller ship.  But, Celebration was practically > filled with fun loving partying Texans.   Now, THAT was a cruise!  I guess > given the choice between grumps & fun smokers, I’ll take the smokers. > Nina ==>  Posting so much because I keep taking breaks from the really > boring test plans I’m writing today.   The things I do to finance my > cruise! > <vbg> > > None.  It was an unsuccessful business experiment.

    Response:

    I rarely run into a smoker any more, except maybe in the casino.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Now that the Carnival Paradise is dropping its smoke-free policy, are > there any non-smoking or very limited smoking cruise ships available > for smoke impaired folks like me? Thinking of Caribbean in Feb/05. > Thanks…

    Response:

    Thanks for the all the info…

    Response:

    Dick lost his sense of smell. Must be part of his disease Shut up Dick. just shut the fuck up – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Nina, > While I also despise cigarette smoke, and the smell of people who smoke, I > have to say that last year on Statendam was the first time that I never > smelled either it or people inside. > — > DG in Cherry Hill, NJ >I despise cigarette smoke, and cruised on Paradise when she was about a > year >old.    I cannot imagine a grumpier more complaining bunch than my fellow >passengers.   I don’t know if many were trying to quit smoking or what the >heck their story was.   But, it came as close to being a "bad" cruise as >I’ve experienced.    I loved the ship, and the service and food were > great. >But, I never even considered sailing on her again. >Before Paradise, I never thought much about how much other passengers > impact >my cruise vacation.   My first cruise after Paradise was Celebration out > of >Galveston, an older and smaller ship.  But, Celebration was practically >filled with fun loving partying Texans.   Now, THAT was a cruise!  I guess >given the choice between grumps & fun smokers, I’ll take the smokers. >Nina ==>  Posting so much because I keep taking breaks from the really >boring test plans I’m writing today.   The things I do to finance my > cruise! ><vbg> >>None.  It was an unsuccessful business experiment.

    Response:

    Now that the Carnival Paradise is dropping its smoke-free policy, are there any non-smoking or very limited smoking cruise ships available for smoke impaired folks like me? Thinking of Caribbean in Feb/05. Thanks…

    Response:

    None.  It was an unsuccessful business experiment.

    Response:

    I despise cigarette smoke, and cruised on Paradise when she was about a year old.    I cannot imagine a grumpier more complaining bunch than my fellow passengers.   I don’t know if many were trying to quit smoking or what the heck their story was.   But, it came as close to being a "bad" cruise as I’ve experienced.    I loved the ship, and the service and food were great. But, I never even considered sailing on her again. Before Paradise, I never thought much about how much other passengers impact my cruise vacation.   My first cruise after Paradise was Celebration out of Galveston, an older and smaller ship.  But, Celebration was practically filled with fun loving partying Texans.   Now, THAT was a cruise!  I guess given the choice between grumps & fun smokers, I’ll take the smokers. Nina ==>  Posting so much because I keep taking breaks from the really boring test plans I’m writing today.   The things I do to finance my cruise! <vbg>

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> None.  It was an unsuccessful business experiment.

    Response:

    >Now that the Carnival Paradise is dropping its smoke-free policy, are >there any non-smoking or very limited smoking cruise ships available >for smoke impaired folks like me? Thinking of Caribbean in Feb/05. >Thanks…

    Hi Clair, You might want to consider either Oceania or Windjammer as both have very limited smoking. Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com

    Response:

    Nina, While I also despise cigarette smoke, and the smell of people who smoke, I have to say that last year on Statendam was the first time that I never smelled either it or people inside. — DG in Cherry Hill, NJ

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I despise cigarette smoke, and cruised on Paradise when she was about a year > old.    I cannot imagine a grumpier more complaining bunch than my fellow > passengers.   I don’t know if many were trying to quit smoking or what the > heck their story was.   But, it came as close to being a "bad" cruise as > I’ve experienced.    I loved the ship, and the service and food were great. > But, I never even considered sailing on her again. > Before Paradise, I never thought much about how much other passengers impact > my cruise vacation.   My first cruise after Paradise was Celebration out of > Galveston, an older and smaller ship.  But, Celebration was practically > filled with fun loving partying Texans.   Now, THAT was a cruise!  I guess > given the choice between grumps & fun smokers, I’ll take the smokers. > Nina ==>  Posting so much because I keep taking breaks from the really > boring test plans I’m writing today.   The things I do to finance my cruise! > <vbg> > None.  It was an unsuccessful business experiment.

    Response:

    Goldie, how about your own BO, stinky! haha

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nina, > While I also despise cigarette smoke, and the smell of people who smoke, I > have to say that last year on Statendam was the first time that I never > smelled either it or people inside. > — > DG in Cherry Hill, NJ > I despise cigarette smoke, and cruised on Paradise when she was about a > year > old.    I cannot imagine a grumpier more complaining bunch than my fellow > passengers.   I don’t know if many were trying to quit smoking or what the > heck their story was.   But, it came as close to being a "bad" cruise as > I’ve experienced.    I loved the ship, and the service and food were > great. > But, I never even considered sailing on her again. > Before Paradise, I never thought much about how much other passengers > impact > my cruise vacation.   My first cruise after Paradise was Celebration out > of > Galveston, an older and smaller ship.  But, Celebration was practically > filled with fun loving partying Texans.   Now, THAT was a cruise!  I guess > given the choice between grumps & fun smokers, I’ll take the smokers. > Nina ==>  Posting so much because I keep taking breaks from the really > boring test plans I’m writing today.   The things I do to finance my > cruise! > <vbg> > > None.  It was an unsuccessful business experiment.

    Response:

    I rarely run into a smoker any more, except maybe in the casino.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Now that the Carnival Paradise is dropping its smoke-free policy, are > there any non-smoking or very limited smoking cruise ships available > for smoke impaired folks like me? Thinking of Caribbean in Feb/05. > Thanks…

    Response:

    Thanks for the all the info…

    Response:

    Dick lost his sense of smell. Must be part of his disease Shut up Dick. just shut the fuck up – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Nina, > While I also despise cigarette smoke, and the smell of people who smoke, I > have to say that last year on Statendam was the first time that I never > smelled either it or people inside. > — > DG in Cherry Hill, NJ >I despise cigarette smoke, and cruised on Paradise when she was about a > year >old.    I cannot imagine a grumpier more complaining bunch than my fellow >passengers.   I don’t know if many were trying to quit smoking or what the >heck their story was.   But, it came as close to being a "bad" cruise as >I’ve experienced.    I loved the ship, and the service and food were > great. >But, I never even considered sailing on her again. >Before Paradise, I never thought much about how much other passengers > impact >my cruise vacation.   My first cruise after Paradise was Celebration out > of >Galveston, an older and smaller ship.  But, Celebration was practically >filled with fun loving partying Texans.   Now, THAT was a cruise!  I guess >given the choice between grumps & fun smokers, I’ll take the smokers. >Nina ==>  Posting so much because I keep taking breaks from the really >boring test plans I’m writing today.   The things I do to finance my > cruise! ><vbg> >>None.  It was an unsuccessful business experiment.

    Response:


  • Att TAs. Here's what we want.

    Question:

    Thanks.  I’ll take my question over there when I get home tonight. Ed

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Ok in hopes that a few TAs look at this site, I’m going to post what we are >looking for in our next cruise.  Feel free to post a price. > Hi Ed, > The news group that is set up for travel agents and clients to do this > type of thing is rec.travel.marketplace.  I suggest you might want to > repost this over on that news group.  Good luck and hope you find an > excellent travel agent. > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

    Response:

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes I said I work in a factory because I do.  I’m a process operator for > the > Quaker Oats Company (I run the oven that cooks/dries cereal) I am on the > union side of the coin not company (meaning I do the physical work) and am > not a plant manager or supervisor.  To go on a cruise it takes me a year > or > more to save the money including income tax, bonuses (usually under $100), > all our change (including that wayward penny in the Walmart paking lot). > Next I work all the overtime I can including most weekends and any shift > there might be overtime on.  Most of the time that’s up to and sometimes > over 100 hours a week. > I’m not talking suite here just a little cabin with a little balcony (D1 > to > be exact).  This way I can go out and have a smoke without smoking in the > room with my wife and kids, none of whom smoke. > I was really starting to feel sorry for you until I read that you smoke. > All this hard > earned cash, and you BURN it???

    Valid point.  I don’t want folks to feel sorry for me.  I work like that of my own free will.  Do more get more.   I’m just looking for ways to save a litle money.  Not looking for a fight or a hand out.  I do alright in the money department but would like to do better. I’d like to be able to buy that ship video.  I’d like to get the pictures.  that type of thing.  What I save in one place I can use in another. I still plan on using the same amout of money.  I’m just looking for ways to make it go farther. > That’s all you really needed to say.  One last thing.  If you want me to > feel guilty because I love my family enough to put in the extra effort to > give them a little bit more in life > Do you love them enough to stop smoking so you’ll be around a little

    longer? Believe it or not I’m working on that one too.  My insurance used to say that the’d rather pay for your cancer than pay to try to get you to stop smoking.  That policy just changed.  So wish me luck on that.  I’ll need all the help I can get. Ed

    Response:

    > Yes I said I work in a factory because I do.  I’m a process operator for the > Quaker Oats Company (I run the oven that cooks/dries cereal) I am on the > union side of the coin not company (meaning I do the physical work) and am > not a plant manager or supervisor.  To go on a cruise it takes me a year or > more to save the money including income tax, bonuses (usually under $100), > What an ingrate!  You get bonusES?  Gosh.  Let me ask you — > since you’ve decided that it is all about you — How much of > a pay-cut did you take over the past three years?

    Yes we get bonuses based on work done by union members.  BTW even though it is based on how hard we work they still keep half. Not a dime Jackass.  You must have missed the union part… Oh yea you just see what you want and if it isn’t there you make it up. > all our change (including that wayward penny in the Walmart paking lot). > Next I work all the overtime I can including most weekends and any shift > there might be overtime on.  Most of the time that’s up to and sometimes > over 100 hours a week. > And you get paid EXTRA for working overtime????  Gosh. > Wouldn’t THAT be nice?

    And you’d have us not get paid extra?  All par tof YOUR wonderful America’s laws.  Or is it just that you love America when it’s convenient for you? > And you come in here claiming poverty and whining about all > these other fat-cats who have it so much easier than > you!?!?!?  Incredible.  It has been quite a while since I’ve > encountered someone online who was so blind to who > self-centered their participation in a newsgroup appears.

    The only thing I claimed was that I wanted to save some money.  I never once said I was poor or that I minded working for what I have. That was all invented in that pee brain of yours. Have a nice day. Ed

    Response:

    > Believe it or not I’m working on that one too.  My insurance used to say > that the’d rather pay for your cancer than pay to try to get you to stop > smoking.  That policy just changed.  So wish me luck on that.  I’ll need all > the help I can get. > Ed

    Good luck on that Ed..Although I have never smoked in my life, my husband did and quit thirty-one years ago and I know how hard it was for him..He went cold turkey and has never regretted it..My room mate in nursing school smoked and though we were best friends, I could not share the room with her for very long ..when another nursing student quit, I inherited her vacant room.. Sadly, this best friend died seven years ago, far too young..and I still miss her very much.I’ll be *rooting* for your success! –Jean

    Response:

    Tim, Thanks for more great input.  I’m saving all the good advice I find here and will look into all of it.  Seems like most of you folks are pretty nice here I just have to weed out the few idiots. Thanks again Ed

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey Ed, not a travel agent but Check out Adventure of the Seas, leaves from > San Juan, seems reasonably priced for balcony cabins. Does the Southern > Caribbean but no Labadie or cococay but has lots of port stops depending > which itinerary you book. > Not sure about your schedule flexibility but we booked for October 2004 and > a balcony was only $2200.00 for our family of 4, no charge for Johnny > Rocket’s yet. I’ve been looking at February and it’s about $3200, this does > not include flights however. If you go during school vacation week, you’ll > pay a premium, up to $1500 more for your cruise than on a non vacation week. > Flights during school vacation weeks are even worse, you really need to book > flights are far in advance as possible if you are booking on your own. If > booking flights through the cruiseline , which is more expensive, be > cautious of having multiple stops and possibly a long travel day ahead of > you. > We have two school aged children and tend to book February vacations at > least a year in advance, we get the benefit of the prices being low still > and usually are able to get flights at a few dollars above normal fare for > vacation weeks. We Booked this coming October in February and got what I > think was a fantastic deal. Check out www.smartcruiser.com or > www.expedia.com or www.icruise.com I’ve booked vacations through all three > and never had any difficulty. Also check out www.insuremytrip.com you can > get travel insurance for about $100 and if you do decide to start booking > way in advance, $100 is cheap if you need to cancel for covered reasons. > Also check out the message board sections of www.cruisecritic.com and > www.cruisemates.com for a lot more info and a lot less bickering than here. > I wouldn’t worry about getting attacked in this newsgroup, seems like it a > common occurrence here these days. Just pick the info that you want and > leave the rest. > Mark > Ok in hopes that a few TAs look at this site, I’m going to post what we > are > looking for in our next cruise.  Feel free to post a price. > Considerations: > 1.  Cost > 2.  Activities for 2 children (one boy age 13 and one girl age 16) > 3.  Activities for me and my sweetheart of a wife > What we would like: > 1.  An RCCL Voyager class ship > 2.  Tenth floor balcony cabin (I smoke so this is a must) > 3.  One of the voyager class ships that does not charge for Johnny Rockets > 4.  An itinerary other than Western Caribbean > 5.  Would like to stop at either Cococay or Labadee > 6.  Would like to travel in Feb. 2005 > I guess that’s enough to start with.  I’ll go into more detail if anyone > replies.  Thanks > Ed

    Response:

    Saving now.  will take a look ASAP.  Thanks Ed

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Ok in hopes that a few TAs look at this site, I’m going to post what we are >looking for in our next cruise.  Feel free to post a price. > You may get a very good idea of the lowest cost if you use > www.cruisequick.com >Considerations: >1.  Cost >2.  Activities for 2 children (one boy age 13 and one girl age 16) >3.  Activities for me and my sweetheart of a wife >What we would like: >1.  An RCCL Voyager class ship >2.  Tenth floor balcony cabin (I smoke so this is a must) >3.  One of the voyager class ships that does not charge for Johnny Rockets > In Feb, one that doesn’t now may then. >4.  An itinerary other than Western Caribbean >5.  Would like to stop at either Cococay or Labadee >6.  Would like to travel in Feb. 2005 >I guess that’s enough to start with.  I’ll go into more detail if anyone >replies.  Thanks > What is your price range? Have several suggestions.

    Response:

    Noted.  Thanks. Ed

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Suggestion:  The cheapest price does not mean the best value.

    Response:

    Thank you very much.  As soon as I run out of this weeks rations I’m going to try cold turkey also.  If that don’t work it’ll be off to the doctor for a patch or pill. Ed

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Believe it or not I’m working on that one too.  My insurance used to say > that the’d rather pay for your cancer than pay to try to get you to stop > smoking.  That policy just changed.  So wish me luck on that.  I’ll need > all > the help I can get. > Ed > Good luck on that Ed..Although I have never smoked in my life, my husband > did and quit thirty-one years ago and I know how hard it was for him..He > went cold turkey and has never regretted it..My room mate in nursing school > smoked and though we were best friends, I could not share the room with her > for very long ..when another nursing student quit, I inherited her vacant > room.. Sadly, this best friend died seven years ago, far too young..and I > still miss her very much.I’ll be *rooting* for your success! > –Jean

    Response:

    Suggestion:  The cheapest price does not mean the best value.

    Response:

    No that is not my real name.  I believe we covered this in another post. Adam is a screen name. My real name is Ed.  I sign my posts with Ed.  We had a good part of a thread covering this. Ed  —SEE PS:  Did you parents not like you?  With a name like Bicker I’d think not.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> First you say you work in a factory and have to save money. > So I make up a list to recommend ways for you to save. > Then I see that you want Voyager (commanding top pricing). > A Balcony cabin, which is top bucks. > And a Voyager ship that doesn’t charge for JR…. even though you’re in a > balcony. > How come I’m feeling a little "duped"? > I can’t say I’m surprised about "Adam," assuming that is his > name. > — > bicker


  • What a gig!

    Question:

    > More boating stories please.

    I worked for 4 years as a rafting guide, does that count? — Chris E-mail is fake, do you like spam?

    Response:

    yes great story. The first FLOATING GUITAR. it would merit to write a song about it, kind of "smoke on the water".. "FLOOOOOOAAAAAATTTTT ON THE OOOOOOO-CEAAAAAAANNNN, Water in the gigbag !!!"      ;) basst


  • The wrath of the vegetarians

    Question:

    Hey, ALLRIGHT, more meat for us meat eaters. JDR

    Response:

    > Don’t you remember the "Peanut Police" of a few years back?  Li’l ole > SWA had to start serving pretzels instead.  Thank goodness, that fad has > finally died, and I can’t get my fill of honey roasted’s on SWA again! > Stranger

    That’s good to know~~I am sooooooo tired of those pretzels that I have never liked anyway!  Will have to try and get a SWA flight to NOLA for the Sleazy3 in October! –Jean

    Response:

    You smoke, Howie? Get outttt! And, it doesn’t interfere with your power exercising? I’m being serious here. Lindsay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Now if these folks have a problem with my smoking, I can certainly >understand where they are coming from. >Howie

    Response:

    > You smoke, Howie? Get outttt! And, it doesn’t interfere with your power > exercising? I’m being serious here.

    Yes, I smoke.  And no, to my knowlege it does not interfere with my lifting or cardio.  Of course it’s conceivable that if I didn’t smoke I’d be in better shape, but I’m quite happy with where I am. When I was 51, I had a routine chest x’ray.  I had been smoking at least a pack/day since I was 16.  The radiology report described me as a 51 year old NON-SMOKER.  My mother is 88, and in very good health.  She began smoking at 16.  When she was 83, she had a very bad cold.  She stopped inhaling and has not inhaled since.  At this point, she smokes 2 or 3 cigarettes/day. Eileen and I have two grown sons.  Despite their exposure to our nasty habit, neither has ever smoked.  I think it’s because we were open and honest about the real dangers of smoking (not all the hype), and always strongly dissuaded them from even trying a cigarette. At the University, I am the only faculty member in my large department who smokes.  None of the department staff smoke, either.  What is sad is that when I am outside the building smoking, I am never alone. Unfortunately, my fellow smokers are all young students.  I do not attribute their dumb behavior to advertising or the tobacco industry.  I attribute it to the ridiculous hype that comes from the anti-smoking lobby.  Young people are unfortunately attracted to what is taboo in the adult population.  If we want to keep our youth smoke free, what they need are facts, not propaganda. Howie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lindsay >Now if these folks have a problem with my smoking, I can certainly >understand where they are coming from. >Howie

    Response:

    >vegetarians…now there’s a worthy group to walk the plank at dawn into >crocodile infested waters…

    I say that if God wanted us to be vegitarians he would have made cows run faster. :-)

    Response:

    >>vegetarians…now there’s a worthy group to walk the plank at dawn into >crocodile infested waters… > I say that if God wanted us to be vegitarians he would have made cows run > faster. :-)

    Are you really Clint in disguise?         Eileen

    Response:

    Hello… Reading all these posts on smoking reminds me of another –as yet– minority: vegetarians.   …Wait ’till they increase to about half the population, then it’ll be ….Anyone eating meat products will be banned from certain areas because one does not have the right to infringe on another’s "vision".    …Jon

    Response:

    vegetarians…now there’s a worthy group to walk the plank at dawn into crocodile infested waters…

    Response:

    > Hello… Reading all these posts on smoking reminds me of another –as > yet– minority: vegetarians.   …Wait ’till they increase to about half > the population, then it’ll be ….Anyone eating meat products will be > banned from certain areas because one does not have the right to > infringe on another’s "vision".    …Jon

    And then there are the breathairians, who survive on nothing but air. Now if these folks have a problem with my smoking, I can certainly understand where they are coming from. Howie

    Response:

    > Hello… Reading all these posts on smoking reminds me of another –as > yet– minority: vegetarians.   …Wait ’till they increase to about half > the population, then it’ll be ….Anyone eating meat products will be > banned from certain areas because one does not have the right to > infringe on another’s "vision".    …Jon

    Here in Alaska, "vegetarian" is an old Indian word for "POOR HUNTING SKILLS". JIM

    Response:

    > I say that if God wanted us to be vegitarians he would have made cows run > faster. :-)

    I saw a bumper sticker, "So many cats, so few recipes".  Ewww! Becca  <—–my 16-year old cat put an Egyptian cat pox on the driver… Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/

    Response:

    >> I say that if God wanted us to be vegitarians he would have made cows run > faster. :-) > I saw a bumper sticker, "So many cats, so few recipes".  Ewww!

    I have been sending these Vegetarian Jokes to my husband (I am a vegetarian). He reminds me of a button seen at the World Science Fiction Convention a few years back: "Cat: The other White Meat" — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

    Response:

    > "Cat: The other White Meat"

    I will hide those comments from Annie.  She would try to put the dreaded Egyptian pox or the Cajun gris-gris on somebody if she read that. <g> Becca  <—–she doesn’t read often but she does try to type… Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/

    Response:

    > Hello… Reading all these posts on smoking reminds me of another –as > yet– minority: vegetarians.   …Wait ’till they increase to about half > the population, then it’ll be ….Anyone eating meat products will be > banned from certain areas because one does not have the right to > infringe on another’s "vision".    …Jon

    Don’t you remember the "Peanut Police" of a few years back?  Li’l ole SWA had to start serving pretzels instead.  Thank goodness, that fad has finally died, and I can’t get my fill of honey roasted’s on SWA again! Stranger

    Response:

    > > I say that if God wanted us to be vegitarians he would have made cows run > faster. :-) > I saw a bumper sticker, "So many cats, so few recipes".  Ewww! > Becca  <—–my 16-year old cat put an Egyptian cat pox on the driver… > Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm > MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/

    Becca, I’m a cat lover, but I still get a huge grin over that one.   Also, saw a book a few years ago called "101 Uses For A Dead Cat".  My favorite was a cat on his back, all four paws up, holding a glass table top! Stranger

    Response:

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You smoke, Howie? Get outttt! And, it doesn’t interfere with your power > exercising? I’m being serious here. > Yes, I smoke.  And no, to my knowlege it does not interfere with my > lifting or cardio.  Of course it’s conceivable that if I didn’t smoke > I’d be in better shape, but I’m quite happy with where I am. > When I was 51, I had a routine chest x’ray.  I had been smoking at least > a pack/day since I was 16.  The radiology report described me as a 51 > year old NON-SMOKER.  My mother is 88, and in very good health.  She > began smoking at 16.  When she was 83, she had a very bad cold.  She > stopped inhaling and has not inhaled since.  At this point, she smokes 2 > or 3 cigarettes/day. > Eileen and I have two grown sons.  Despite their exposure to our nasty > habit, neither has ever smoked.  I think it’s because we were open and > honest about the real dangers of smoking (not all the hype), and always > strongly dissuaded them from even trying a cigarette. > At the University, I am the only faculty member in my large department > who smokes.  None of the department staff smoke, either.  What is sad is > that when I am outside the building smoking, I am never alone. > Unfortunately, my fellow smokers are all young students.  I do not > attribute their dumb behavior to advertising or the tobacco industry.  I > attribute it to the ridiculous hype that comes from the anti-smoking > lobby.  Young people are unfortunately attracted to what is taboo in the > adult population.  If we want to keep our youth smoke free, what they > need are facts, not propaganda. > Howie

    VERY well said, Prof. Howie! Stranger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lindsay >>Now if these folks have a problem with my smoking, I can certainly >>understand where they are coming from. >>Howie

    Response:

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>You smoke, Howie? Get outttt! And, it doesn’t interfere with your power >>exercising? I’m being serious here. >Yes, I smoke.  And no, to my knowlege it does not interfere with my >lifting or cardio.  Of course it’s conceivable that if I didn’t smoke >I’d be in better shape, but I’m quite happy with where I am. >When I was 51, I had a routine chest x’ray.  I had been smoking at least >a pack/day since I was 16.  The radiology report described me as a 51 >year old NON-SMOKER.  My mother is 88, and in very good health.  She >began smoking at 16.  When she was 83, she had a very bad cold.  She >stopped inhaling and has not inhaled since.  At this point, she smokes 2 >or 3 cigarettes/day. >Eileen and I have two grown sons.  Despite their exposure to our nasty >habit, neither has ever smoked.  I think it’s because we were open and >honest about the real dangers of smoking (not all the hype), and always >strongly dissuaded them from even trying a cigarette. >At the University, I am the only faculty member in my large department >who smokes.  None of the department staff smoke, either.  What is sad is >that when I am outside the building smoking, I am never alone. >Unfortunately, my fellow smokers are all young students.  I do not >attribute their dumb behavior to advertising or the tobacco industry.  I >attribute it to the ridiculous hype that comes from the anti-smoking >lobby.  Young people are unfortunately attracted to what is taboo in the >adult population.  If we want to keep our youth smoke free, what they >need are facts, not propaganda. >Howie > VERY well said, Prof. Howie! > Stranger

    Thank’s, Stranger. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Lindsay >>>Now if these folks have a problem with my smoking, I can certainly >>>understand where they are coming from. >>>Howie

    Response:

    Hello… Reading all these posts on smoking reminds me of another –as yet– minority: vegetarians.   …Wait ’till they increase to about half the population, then it’ll be ….Anyone eating meat products will be banned from certain areas because one does not have the right to infringe on another’s "vision".    …Jon

    Response:

    vegetarians…now there’s a worthy group to walk the plank at dawn into crocodile infested waters…

    Response:

    > Hello… Reading all these posts on smoking reminds me of another –as > yet– minority: vegetarians.   …Wait ’till they increase to about half > the population, then it’ll be ….Anyone eating meat products will be > banned from certain areas because one does not have the right to > infringe on another’s "vision".    …Jon

    And then there are the breathairians, who survive on nothing but air. Now if these folks have a problem with my smoking, I can certainly understand where they are coming from. Howie

    Response:

    >vegetarians…now there’s a worthy group to walk the plank at dawn into >crocodile infested waters…

    I say that if God wanted us to be vegitarians he would have made cows run faster. :-)

    Response:

    >>vegetarians…now there’s a worthy group to walk the plank at dawn into >crocodile infested waters… > I say that if God wanted us to be vegitarians he would have made cows run > faster. :-)

    Are you really Clint in disguise?         Eileen

    Response:

    You smoke, Howie? Get outttt! And, it doesn’t interfere with your power exercising? I’m being serious here. Lindsay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Now if these folks have a problem with my smoking, I can certainly >understand where they are coming from. >Howie

    Response:

    > You smoke, Howie? Get outttt! And, it doesn’t interfere with your power > exercising? I’m being serious here.

    Yes, I smoke.  And no, to my knowlege it does not interfere with my lifting or cardio.  Of course it’s conceivable that if I didn’t smoke I’d be in better shape, but I’m quite happy with where I am. When I was 51, I had a routine chest x’ray.  I had been smoking at least a pack/day since I was 16.  The radiology report described me as a 51 year old NON-SMOKER.  My mother is 88, and in very good health.  She began smoking at 16.  When she was 83, she had a very bad cold.  She stopped inhaling and has not inhaled since.  At this point, she smokes 2 or 3 cigarettes/day. Eileen and I have two grown sons.  Despite their exposure to our nasty habit, neither has ever smoked.  I think it’s because we were open and honest about the real dangers of smoking (not all the hype), and always strongly dissuaded them from even trying a cigarette. At the University, I am the only faculty member in my large department who smokes.  None of the department staff smoke, either.  What is sad is that when I am outside the building smoking, I am never alone. Unfortunately, my fellow smokers are all young students.  I do not attribute their dumb behavior to advertising or the tobacco industry.  I attribute it to the ridiculous hype that comes from the anti-smoking lobby.  Young people are unfortunately attracted to what is taboo in the adult population.  If we want to keep our youth smoke free, what they need are facts, not propaganda. Howie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lindsay >Now if these folks have a problem with my smoking, I can certainly >understand where they are coming from. >Howie

    Response:

    > Hello… Reading all these posts on smoking reminds me of another –as > yet– minority: vegetarians.   …Wait ’till they increase to about half > the population, then it’ll be ….Anyone eating meat products will be > banned from certain areas because one does not have the right to > infringe on another’s "vision".    …Jon

    Here in Alaska, "vegetarian" is an old Indian word for "POOR HUNTING SKILLS". JIM

    Response:

    > I say that if God wanted us to be vegitarians he would have made cows run > faster. :-)

    I saw a bumper sticker, "So many cats, so few recipes".  Ewww! Becca  <—–my 16-year old cat put an Egyptian cat pox on the driver… Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/

    Response:

    >> I say that if God wanted us to be vegitarians he would have made cows run > faster. :-) > I saw a bumper sticker, "So many cats, so few recipes".  Ewww!

    I have been sending these Vegetarian Jokes to my husband (I am a vegetarian). He reminds me of a button seen at the World Science Fiction Convention a few years back: "Cat: The other White Meat" — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

    Response:

    > "Cat: The other White Meat"

    I will hide those comments from Annie.  She would try to put the dreaded Egyptian pox or the Cajun gris-gris on somebody if she read that. <g> Becca  <—–she doesn’t read often but she does try to type… Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/

    Response:

    > Hello… Reading all these posts on smoking reminds me of another –as > yet– minority: vegetarians.   …Wait ’till they increase to about half > the population, then it’ll be ….Anyone eating meat products will be > banned from certain areas because one does not have the right to > infringe on another’s "vision".    …Jon

    Don’t you remember the "Peanut Police" of a few years back?  Li’l ole SWA had to start serving pretzels instead.  Thank goodness, that fad has finally died, and I can’t get my fill of honey roasted’s on SWA again! Stranger

    Response:

    > > I say that if God wanted us to be vegitarians he would have made cows run > faster. :-) > I saw a bumper sticker, "So many cats, so few recipes".  Ewww! > Becca  <—–my 16-year old cat put an Egyptian cat pox on the driver… > Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm > MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/

    Becca, I’m a cat lover, but I still get a huge grin over that one.   Also, saw a book a few years ago called "101 Uses For A Dead Cat".  My favorite was a cat on his back, all four paws up, holding a glass table top! Stranger

    Response:

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You smoke, Howie? Get outttt! And, it doesn’t interfere with your power > exercising? I’m being serious here. > Yes, I smoke.  And no, to my knowlege it does not interfere with my > lifting or cardio.  Of course it’s conceivable that if I didn’t smoke > I’d be in better shape, but I’m quite happy with where I am. > When I was 51, I had a routine chest x’ray.  I had been smoking at least > a pack/day since I was 16.  The radiology report described me as a 51 > year old NON-SMOKER.  My mother is 88, and in very good health.  She > began smoking at 16.  When she was 83, she had a very bad cold.  She > stopped inhaling and has not inhaled since.  At this point, she smokes 2 > or 3 cigarettes/day. > Eileen and I have two grown sons.  Despite their exposure to our nasty > habit, neither has ever smoked.  I think it’s because we were open and > honest about the real dangers of smoking (not all the hype), and always > strongly dissuaded them from even trying a cigarette. > At the University, I am the only faculty member in my large department > who smokes.  None of the department staff smoke, either.  What is sad is > that when I am outside the building smoking, I am never alone. > Unfortunately, my fellow smokers are all young students.  I do not > attribute their dumb behavior to advertising or the tobacco industry.  I > attribute it to the ridiculous hype that comes from the anti-smoking > lobby.  Young people are unfortunately attracted to what is taboo in the > adult population.  If we want to keep our youth smoke free, what they > need are facts, not propaganda. > Howie

    VERY well said, Prof. Howie! Stranger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lindsay >>Now if these folks have a problem with my smoking, I can certainly >>understand where they are coming from. >>Howie

    Response:

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>You smoke, Howie? Get outttt! And, it doesn’t interfere with your power >>exercising? I’m being serious here. >Yes, I smoke.  And no, to my knowlege it does not interfere with my >lifting or cardio.  Of course it’s conceivable that if I didn’t smoke >I’d be in better shape, but I’m quite happy with where I am. >When I was 51, I had a routine chest x’ray.  I had been smoking at least >a pack/day since I was 16.  The radiology report described me as a 51 >year old NON-SMOKER.  My mother is 88, and in very good health.  She >began smoking at 16.  When she was 83, she had a very bad cold.  She >stopped inhaling and has not inhaled since.  At this point, she smokes 2 >or 3 cigarettes/day. >Eileen and I have two grown sons.  Despite their exposure to our nasty >habit, neither has ever smoked.  I think it’s because we were open and >honest about the real dangers of smoking (not all the hype), and always >strongly dissuaded them from even trying a cigarette. >At the University, I am the only faculty member in my large department >who smokes.  None of the department staff smoke, either.  What is sad is >that when I am outside the building smoking, I am never alone. >Unfortunately, my fellow smokers are all young students.  I do not >attribute their dumb behavior to advertising or the tobacco industry.  I >attribute it to the ridiculous hype that comes from the anti-smoking >lobby.  Young people are unfortunately attracted to what is taboo in the >adult population.  If we want to keep our youth smoke free, what they >need are facts, not propaganda. >Howie > VERY well said, Prof. Howie! > Stranger

    Thank’s, Stranger. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Lindsay >>>Now if these folks have a problem with my smoking, I can certainly >>>understand where they are coming from. >>>Howie

    Response:

    > Don’t you remember the "Peanut Police" of a few years back?  Li’l ole > SWA had to start serving pretzels instead.  Thank goodness, that fad has > finally died, and I can’t get my fill of honey roasted’s on SWA again! > Stranger

    That’s good to know~~I am sooooooo tired of those pretzels that I have never liked anyway!  Will have to try and get a SWA flight to NOLA for the Sleazy3 in October! –Jean

    Response:

    Hey, ALLRIGHT, more meat for us meat eaters. JDR

    Response: